Tuesday, December 25, 2018

A Biblical Showstopper For The Catholic Eucharist

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           -The Roman Catholic Church maintains that its priests transubstantiate ordinary bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Yet, we are told in the New Testament that the Lord does not dwell in places made by human hands:

           "However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says: ‘Heaven is My throne, and earth is the footstool of My feet; what kind of house will you build for Me?’ says the Lord, ‘Or what place is there for My repose?" (Acts 7:48-49)

           "The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things." (Acts 17:24-25)

           God does not dwell in temples because they cannot contain Him. That is affirmed by both texts from Acts. See also 1 Kings 8:27. 

           Therefore, the Eucharist is just an ordinary peace of bread and priests do not have the power to transubstantiate the communion elements. Bread cannot be turned into God in the sense as is claimed of the Eucharist. If God does not dwell in man-made places, then the communion wafer cannot be turned into God. 

          We are also told in the New Testament that we need not think of God as being a material object:

          "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man." (Acts 17:29)

           Is not the Eucharist wafer manna, which is material? The bread and wine used in the Mass is most certainly an image of Jesus Christ. God the Son ascended into heaven above, not into temples made with human hands:

           "For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us." (Hebrews 9:24)

6 comments:

  1. “Therefore, the Eucharist is just an ordinary peace of bread and priests do not have the power to transubstantiate the communion elements. Bread cannot be turned into God in the sense as is claimed of the Eucharist. If God does not dwell in man-made places, then the communion wafer cannot be turned into God. ”

    The Eucharist is not and ordinary piece of bread.

    The priests do not have the power to transubstantiate the communion elements–it is changed by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    The bread is not man-made to be a dwelling place for God. It is made for us to eat.

    Besides, do you not know your body, (born of the union of created man and woman–in other words man-made), is a temple? 1 Cor 6:19

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    1. Kyle,
      First, what the Catholics eat isn't even bread - it's just little wafers. In the Bible they shared actual bread, and the bread was symbolic of Jesus body - never even hinted that it miraculously changed essence. So the RCC isn't even using the proper symbol!

      The Holy Spirit does nothing to the bread -- that is simply asserted by the RCC without any biblical warrant.

      Worshiping the wafer is idolatry. It is just a wafer.

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  2. Hello Kyle,

    "The Eucharist is not and ordinary piece of bread."

    It is an ordinary piece of bread because, according to my argument, He does not dwell in temples made by human hands.

    "The priests do not have the power to transubstantiate the communion elements–it is changed by the power of the Holy Spirit."

    I did not suggest that the Roman Catholic Church taught that its priests had power in of themselves, but rather that they were powerless by virtue of God not dwelling in places made by human hands. Their act of consecration is useless.

    "The bread is not man-made to be a dwelling place for God. It is made for us to eat."

    Those are your words, not mine. I never stated that the bread was a "dwelling place for God."

    "Besides, do you not know your body, (born of the union of created man and woman–in other words man-made), is a temple? 1 Cor 6:19"

    No, we are not literal temples. That is a figure of speech meaning the Holy Spirit dwells amongst brethren in Christ.

    God is not to be likened to creations of man. How is it rightful to worship the Eucharist (which looks like bread) as Him?

    Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands. So there is no reason to think He is going to come down from heaven repeatedly to be a sacrifice for sin.

    It is hard to see how this reasoning is not problematic for Catholic Eucharist theology.

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  3. Jessie–
    Christ is omnipresent. There is no place He cannot dwell. One cannot capture and confine God in any one place, therefore; one will not find God in only one place such as a temple made with human hands. That is common sense.
    You said “I never stated that the bread was a “dwelling place for God.”
    But you did say “It is an ordinary piece of bread because, according to my argument, He does not dwell in temples made by human hands.” So, I can assume you are equating the bread as a temple made by human hands. And so I stand by my statement that the bread is not man-made to be a dwelling place for God. It is made for us to eat.

    Yes, I get it. It’s a hard concept and you refuse to accept it. Clearly it hasn’t been given to you by the Father. (John 6:60,65,66)

    Adios! (Mat 10:14)

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    1. Kyle,
      As Jesse noted, common sense says that Jesus is not in the wafers. That is nothing less than mysticism. Jesus is still human with a spiritual body. Papists invented the whole transubstantiation doctrine out of thin air. They worship a wafer, which is idolatry.

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  4. Kyle,

    It is against common sense to believe that Jesus Christ could be present in the flesh in multiple places at the same time.

    You cannot assume that I am "equating the bread as a temple made by human hands" because that would be putting words in my mouth. Your argument has no merit whatsoever.

    Roman Catholic theology does not simply affirm Christ's presence in the bread, but that the bread actually becomes His body under unchanged substance and accidents.

    Open your eyes, blind one. The proof is right in front of you to see.

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